Why do so many people want NSFW games? Are pornographic games really that appealing?
2nding this. From the moment you give a company the right to dictate what you can or can not consume, there is absolutely no guarantee they will stop. First it's the NSFW games, because they are immoral because just gooners consume them and those should get a life anyways. Then it's LGBT content, because it's almost sexual anyways. Then it's any games with more mature themes, like complicated interpersonal relationships, opression of the system, etc etc. Companies aren't only greedy for cash, but for control as well
NLCH's idea is right, however, it's tad more complex than "you give a company the right to dictate what you can or can not consume".
Raw biology and common sense dictate that social superstructures have to care about members of said structures (citizens) propagating successfully. Said social superstructures' populations will dwindle otherwise, and superstructures themselves would gonna disappear as a result.
Inappropriate porn (guro, pedo, bestiality, whatever glorifies unhealthy sexual intercourse) affects these matters directly.
Payment gateway providers, for some reason, got sick of this bullshit and pulled the plug so hard so even Steam (with all their indifference) was shaken a little. Despite them [payment providers] not giving a damn about anything but profits. Something bigger scared them, apparently. Which is weird to see - however, it's only about 1/2 of the real problem. And it - believe me or not - is a lesser half.
Now, this probably will gonna have me permabanned here too, however, I'll take a liberty to tell about second half of the problem without self-censoring things too much. I'll damn explode otherwise. This thought is pestering me since one of Patreon purges of 2018, time to spill it a little.
The second half of the problem is that you can't just ban things blindly.
You have to provide alternatives.
Reasonable, sensible alternatives.
Example from our grim past: various sexual deviations were banned in Germany in late-to-middle of past century.
HOWEVER
An alternative was offered. As a matter of fact, more than one, unified by a singular relatively sane idea.
A culture of appreciation of healthy human body. And an encouragement to give birth to healthy children.
Do note that I refer to this specific point of space-time as an example of a right IDEA about "how and why should we deal with porn". Not as an example of right EXECUTION of said idea (since it's obvious that the execution was shite and the world would be a bit better place if all that shite wouldn't happen).
Yes, current carpet-bans of payments to prawn creators puts the author(s) of this idea well below German politicians of 193x. Simply because payment ban initiators didn't offered any sane alternative AT ALL.
> Then it's LGBT content, because it's almost sexual anyways.
Please stop dragging LGBTQ+ into this.
Structures which support this stuff officially deserved this specific predicament by doing everything to make healthy relationships between heterosexual people viewed as a deviation.
I'll probably change my mind once I won't have to guess the gender of displayed person in whatever new porn piece of "art" ended up on my desktop. I have to guess too damn often nowadays.
I don't get why people don't understand the self-awareness and responsible framing of erotic fantasy.
The VAST majority of people with 'rape kinks' understand the divide between what they find hot and how consent should be handled IRL. Same with dubcon and the majority of other kinks that people find icky. If a creator is using content warnings on their work, that is enough to demonstrate that they understand that their work may contain things that should not be replicated IRL. Any player with half a brain should be able to understand the same.
And you don't get to spend half your post ranting about the necessity of reproduction and whining about 'not being able to tell the gender' of the people in your porn and then claim this issue has nothing to with LGBTQ+. Collective Shout is a Conservative organization with open contempt for queer people and the way you talk about this issue makes it crystal clear why you're interested in apologizing for their tyrannical censorship.
You're the first one to mention rape kinks in this sub-thread. As a matter of fact, in whole thread. What's this information doing here? Are you responding to right theme? And, by the way, do you understand that normalization of rape fantasies is not something that should be allowed since it creates too many complications for us fully-consensual people?
Oh, you don't.
You've failed your Reading skill check.
Try rerolling it.
Why do people want NSFW games?
Key Points:
Many users see NSFW games as a matter of personal freedom; restricting them could set a precedent to ban other types of content.
Some argue it’s about biology and human sexual expression, not just profit or control.
Payment and platform restrictions (e.g., Steam, Patreon) often limit access, sometimes without offering reasonable alternatives.
Responsible creators include content warnings, and most players understand the difference between fantasy and real life.
Debate exists over the impact of sexual content, with some emphasizing ethical boundaries and social implications.
Overall: Desire for NSFW games combines personal freedom, sexual expression, and frustration with platform restrictions, balanced against ethical and social concerns.
Well NSFW games are not so popular and also if these type of games should be made so then a little restriction or age verification should be necessary in case that almost less than 16 does not reach that content (well still now a days less that 15 are reaching 18+ sites)😒and maybe this should be banned or too restricted like accessing dark web
> Why do so many people want NSFW games?
You've skipped biology classes, did you?
Living entities (Homo Sapiens Sapiens included, unfortunately) have to procreate somehow. They'll accumulate stress otherwise. Once enough stress would gonna accumulate this way, sais sapient sapienses might start having weird sprees of inappropriate behavior. Simply because procreation is in our nature - and our instincts don't give a rat's ass about circumstances being highly incompatible with raising able and happy children (in this specific statement I mostly refer to my country - however, many people worldwide might relate to this for similar reasons). And sometimes our instincts are way stronger than our reason AND local laws combined.
If biology is not an authority - have a looksie at real-world communities which, for whatever global enough and strong enoughreason, have banned everything except sex with purpose of conceiving a child. Then think again. I had an intent to refer to a specific (quite huge) community - however, I already got permabanned with a reason "[OMITTED]phobia" for doing so in one (thanks goodness it's not itch.io) and I'm not quite eager to tempt fate again... yet. We're all adult people here (if you're still a little angel, leave the room. We'll be glad to see you again once you're an adult) and we all probably understant which group I'm referring to anyway.
NSFW art (games included) is a nice way to fend off some stress built up by said biological urges and bodily demands. With or without having specific interactions with one's body. Sometimes even sheer visual appreciation of tasteful enough beauty does wonders.
Like, I in sound mind understand that sometimes even best of us have animalistic urges of inappropriate.
I work with people. I'm working with people for 18 (eighteen) years.
And I never did ANYTINHG incriminating to any of my colleagues and clients - thanks to timely and carefully measured usage of porn. Despite being surrounded by beautiful ladies much more often than I can afford urge-wise.
> Are pornographic games really that appealing?
Most are not. Quite the opposite usually. Too many fetishes, too many developers trying to appease everyone at once (and failing horribly)... too few developers actually respecting consumer's right to skip things said consumer does not like...
All in all, porn games niche is in indefinite crisis since... for how long? Probably since Leisure Suit Larry 7 release. I don't remember any games of similar quality being released afterwards.
HOWEVER
Unfortunately, we live in times when arrogant youngsters (and leftovers of various abhorrent subcultures of internets of the past) live with "the worse - the better" motto.
Which, as a side effect, causes already-downwards-pointing spiral of porn games quality spin downwards faster, way faster...
Today's situation is a culmination of that.
Common folk couldn't get rid of content they don't want to see because this shit is leaking everywhere. And modern-day popular business models, on the contrary, encourage game developers to smear their shit all over the face of any player they might reach. Without informing them what they're about to do beforehead.
So grey suits took matters into their own hands. Surprisingly. For once, their interests coincided with interests of vanilla people.
So... d'oh...
I'm mildly confused that, instead of returning "ART" and "COMMON SENSE" into porn games, people do shittalking.
Why do so many people want NSFW games?
They don't. That's why those games are under attack. It is an easy target. Publicly defending them is something few players of such games will do. But attacking such games is a thing many "concerned citicens" will do as a lip service, making it easy for fanatics to have their way.
Itch has a sizeable amount of adult games, compared to other platforms, because they allow indie games that are unfinished and free games and till the recent trouble games with certain content that was not allowed on Patreon. It has maybe 10 times the games that are published on Nutaku. That's a very rough estimate. Nutaku has about 1k games. Itch about 10k if you do not count double entries and shovelware.
Adult games are a nieche, like any other. You could easily ask, why so many people want horror games - and those are played by far more people than adult games. Or why people want retro graphics. Or kinetic visual novels. Or idle games. Or video games in general.
One can make an argument against any nieche of games anything.
If it is not your cup of tea, you will not understand it and it will bewilder you from the outside. That's true for just about any recreational activity. Collecting stamps comes to mind. Or something more controversial: playing war games. Be it table top or as a video games. Why do so many people want games about war? Why are tv shows about murder so popular? Why are stories and drama about love and romance so popular?
Oh, and yes, pornography is appealing. Even among the oldest prehistoric depictions you will find porn. It stands to reason that a topic so prevalent in human behaviour will have games about it.
There is games about war, but people question games with porn. That's what's wrong in all these discussions. There is "innocent" Civilizations game series that will have you commit genocide. For fun.
NSFW works are legal if senators or other groups ban something that is legal because they don't like it then it is obvious that they will continue to ban other kinds of legal material like games that contain a bit of violence because they will say it is dangerous and PUMP start banning music or any other kind of media that they consider harmful and before you know it you won't be able to consume material that you used to be able to just because a bunch of people decided out of the blue that you can or can't watch it. and when you least expect it you won't be able to consume material that you could before just because a bunch of people decided out of the blue that you can or can't watch regardless of whether it's SFW or NSFWb you should stop consuming it in peace as long as it's legal, losing this right would basically be going back years in the basic construction of human rights and believe me that is not a very nice thing to do and this happened before with books.
Citation needed.
If some people really do use that term, I strongly disagree with that usage in that context. And also with the reasoning behind it.
Vegans do not care about humans. They care about animals. A porn movie where they wear leather would not be vegan.
While you will find people that are exploited in porn, you will find such people in every business and industry. Porn is not an exception. And game development is not an exception either.
Also, you compare movies with games. Use it for hentai, if you must.
Might be lost in translation.
I get the meaning of "not the real deal". Like vegan meat. In that sense you might use it for hentai.
Making the step from not the real deal to also not being passive but an active medium is too much for my language sense.
Also, vegan porn does have a somewhat established meaning. A quite literal meaning. It is porn by, from, with or for vegans. In the most blatant sense, it involves certain vegetables.
There is vegan water. Not kidding. It is water bottles that promise not to use glue made from animals for the labels and not use gelatin for filtering the water. And there are bottled beverages that do use gelatine for filtering. That's actually involved for a lot of beverages, though it is less used in large scale productions.
I would not go so far, but I agree that some things better stay in fiction. Like war.
Maybe some terms are not problematic in your country, but maybe reconsider using perverted person as a term. It was used for anything lgbt and is still used by some. It is a catch it all term to describe anything that is against one's own morals, standards and so on. It also was and is used to justify all sorts of things.
Like the actions of those activsts. From their point of view, all porn and all people that watch it and all nsfw games and all people that play them are the perverted people.
Here, the word “pervert” is not interpreted that way. Thank you for clarifying. I don't mean to disparage anyone. I simply mean that people's sexuality should be channeled appropriately, in the right channels. If it is repressed, people create problems that sometimes even end in tragedy.
When I said “pervert,” I was referring to what, at least in Spanish, is the scientific usage in psychology, when a person is turned on by only one thing and nothing else, it is said that the person has developed a “perversion.”
Generally porn sucks, games, movies, whatever, no one watches it for its story or production quality. Where these bans hurt is in legitimate content that includes adult (or other controversial) content. Imagine if someone created the next Game of Thrones or the Witcher, but no one ever gets to see it because all nsfw content was banned?
Because it's a fun industry that typically doesn't exploit real life people, personally I enjoy making them just because peeps seem to like something I'm ok at which is nice.
I'm actually a gay-demisexual(little to no libido) so i don't typically care about porn in general but i like making something peeps find neat.
Plus some of the nsfw games have had some of the sweetest moments, few and rare sure but also very heart warming. Extracurricular Activities had me crying and in suspense, Socially Awkward is just sweet goobers with a little sexy thrown in. And Kingsguard literally had me on the floor crying over a socially neglected fox ninja and weirdly wholesome lion.
It's not all just for the sexy, sometimes it just the deep simulated connection that super appealing, :3
I've been told (I could never confirm it) that in the time of video tapes VHS won over the much better Betamax and VCC2000, solely because Betamax and VCC2000 banned porn on their tapes and VHS did not. I don't know if it's true, but knowing humans, I deem it plausible.
Now porn is apparently as old as human civilization in general. Some artwork of very long ago that is clearly meant to be pornographic have already been found. So when games as medium came to be it's not that hard to imagine games like that would be there too.
I must note that I do agree with NLCH about the "right" to porn. Now I don't deem porn itself as a right, but once porn can be banned than basically anything can be banned, and also games in which the developer did a statement that may seem "politically incorrect". And then the same can also be done with books, film, music, drawings, well anything. And yeah, I can see some propaganda against porn, like a video were "Disney heroes were raping each other". It was just a porn video about orgy where everybody was initially dressed as Disney princes and princesses, yes. But we do know rule #34: "There is porn of it! No exceptions!" And I've seen more like that. But then again, the anti-porn thing is nothing new. Sexual activity in general even. The idiotic story that you'd get blind when you masturbate appears to have been an actual campaign set up by the church and loads of people even believed it (and I really cannot find any medical logic how your eyes could be affected in anyway at all by this).
Long story short... Porn has always been a thing for discussion. Quite often it's all pretty bizarre.
It's worrying to me as well. Probably says something about the state of the world right now, don't you think?
You do have the right to do as you like, but at the same time it's wrong and eventually playing NFSW games will catch up with you.
If you're reading this and about to reply angrily, wait. Keep reading. I genuinely hope you find peace. You're probably trying to fill a void that can't be filled this way. Go touch grass, meet more people and get out of your parent's basement. Responsibility isn't something to be afraid of, it's really freeing. Maybe you don't even know it, but everyone is reliant on something and sometimes that thing is a weight dragging you down. Think about what you want from real life and go get it. If you're not a total creep (or regardless), you'll find someone to fill that void.
God grant that this helps someone, and whoever you are I ask that He give you the means and motivation to be free.
Blessings to all and just remember that this applies to everyone. Creeps are people too.
Porn is not evil, sexuality is not evil, and the fact your religion has twisted you into believe otherwise is evidence of how evil IT is.
I understand you've been conditioned to loathe your own nature by guilty-tripping and the empty threat of damnation. I would ask you avoid making that anyone else's problem.
A. Damnation is not an empty threat. But if you're right with God it's not something you need to be afraid of.
B. Healthy sexuality is not evil. Porn is NOT healthy.
C. I'm not one of those religious nuts who go around knocking on peoples doors. Nobody's perfect, me included.
As a follower of Jesus I dislike when people twist faith into religion as well. Faith is free from fear and guilt. It's trusting God to protect and forgive. Religion is the ritual of going to church every Sunday and listening to a guy yell at you and tell you you're doomed. You are absolutely free to do as you please, but I've been very close to being addicted to porn and my warning stands. It WILL consume you and your future. If God hadn't helped me out I wouldn't be where I am today. Faith is freedom.
If you'll excuse the assumption, I would say that you've been conditioned to believe that religion is the same as faith or that they're inseperable. I'm also going to guess you skimmed my comment, saw God and immediately decided I was wrong. The side of Christianity that you've seen is the side that gives God's followers a bad rap.
one of those religious nuts who go around knocking on peoples doors
Preaching on the internet is much better and less nutty. And yes, that pun is intended.
If God hadn't helped me out
Only ... God did not do that. Thanking God for your own actions is the same as blaming God for your own actions. You shift responsibility.
You found faith and overcome something that you lost control over. Well done. But please do not infer from that achievement that the teachings of that faith, and more importantly, the interpretations from bigoted fundamentalists of that faith are sound or would help other people.
In case you did not realize, the bigots cherry pick parts of the Bible. Some examples that are generally ignored by the bigots in daily live:
You shall not wear a garment made of two kinds of material.
No eating of shrimp, crab, lobster, pork, rabbit and other things like blood. No mixing of milk products and meat products - no cheeseburgers!
Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard
No work, travel, cooking, or business on the Sabbath
In contrast, there is plenty of naughty stuff in the Bible that is "approved", including prostitution and incest. The bigots arbitrarily ignore or emphasize portions of the Bible to push their own agenda.
Porn is NOT healthy
Being addicted to porn is not healthy. But being addicted to anything is not healthy. Being addicted to self whipping is also not healthy, quite literally and bloodily so. Yet there are those flagellants.
But alas, even if there were a bit of unhealthyness, it is proven without doubt that alcohol is unhealthy and can kill. Yet is alcohol forbidden in the Bible? No. It is not. Let that sink in. Only the overconsumption is discouraged. You can't very well forbid something that Jesus is well known for. Turing water into wine and all that.
Only ... God did not do that.
I'd just like to point out that we do agree on a lot, however I think a bit differently about what God's role in our everyday lives. If God hadn't wanted me to come to Him at the exact time that I did, then I wouldn't have. Granted I my own struggles, but if He hadn't shown me the way out I wouldn't have known where to start.
do not infer from that achievement that the teachings of that faith...would help other people
Again confusing of faith and religion. I'm not basing my ideals on any doctrine that didn't come directly from God. Literally look at the Bible and see. Also, I'm not the only one. There are many, many people who have similar testimonies that faith set them free.
interpretations from bigoted fundamentalists
Yeah gotta agree there. Fundamentalism is a whole 'nother ball game. Besides, when I said "religious nuts" I was talking about the same people. Potato, po-tah-to.
Some examples that are generally ignored by the bigots in daily live:
You shall not wear a garment made of two kinds of material.
No eating of shrimp, crab, lobster, pork, rabbit and other things like blood. No mixing of milk products and meat products - no cheeseburgers!
Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard
No work, travel, cooking, or business on the Sabbath
A lot of these are taken from the Old Testament. The garment one is symbolic of being double-minded, blood is sacred but God told Peter to take and eat anyway, hair cutting was a sectarian thing back then (I think it falls under traditions that are unique form culture to culture), and the Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath.
plenty of naughty stuff in the Bible that is "approved"
Every sin can be forgiven (besides lying directly to God like He doesn't know your mind before you do). That doesn't mean that God approves of sin in any form.
Yet is alcohol forbidden in the Bible? No. It is not. Let that sink in.
In some cases it's even fine to get drunk. Something about letting a suffering man drink to ease his pain.
tl;dr Do not use the Bible to argue against porn. Do not use religion to argue against porn. Do not use faith, God, or faith in God to argue against porn. Please. Even if you do, it would only be applicable for the subset of your denomination that shares the same level of fervor and shares the same interpretations of religous texts. Preaching your own morals with the help of religion is doubly preaching.
In some cases it's even fine to get drunk. Something about letting a suffering man drink to ease his pain.
Uhm. Interesting. And what was the problem with porn again? It helps people to not covet their neighbors wife and so on. It helps ease the suffering of the lonely. It helps not doing adultery. It can help couples to get in the mood to make some babies. It's not against the commandments and the parts of the Bible that deal with sexual things are highly outdated and questionable from a modern viewpoint. Like how everyone was ok with the incest of Lot's daughters and God did not smite them right there with the angels that just smiten those evil villagers.
Whatever was written in the Bible was written by humans codifying their current morals. You might use a dogmatic approach and claim it is the word of God. But it's not. It was rewritten, reinterpreted and even arbitarily selected by humans what is canon. Quite literally. Also, a lot of historical accounts. And not to mention all the translation issues, even back 2000 years they had those.
If God hadn't wanted me to come to Him at the exact time that I did, then I wouldn't have.
I do not want particularily to discuss religion. I just take issue with bringing it into the discussion as an argument against porn. But if you go down that pathway, you kind of reduce God to a tempter, an evil manipulative bastard, that only brings you in a bad situation to later help you out of it. It just can't be, that one only blames God for the good things one does, but not blame God for the bad things one does. Oh, and overindulging in any activity, no matter if stamp collecing, adult entertainment or drinking alcohol, is a bad thing. You can preach against overindulging, if you like, but if you start preaching against porn, I shall remind you, that alcohol is far worse and responsible for many deaths, violent behaviour and abuse, but that proven bad thing is ok in the Bible.
Whatever he uses to argue. The following facts are universally true:
Problems could lead to anxiety, depression, over-fantasizing, social isolation, compulsive sexual behavior
Ignorance leads to problems,
Ignorance is caused by lack of knowledge,
Most porn users don't have basic knowledge,
Addiction sets in and creates bondage.
And faith and God is a battle-tested solution. There many but this is really the most effective.
God is love, justice, and mercy. Your view might be foggy but it's there from Jesus to Abraham to Adam. I don't need to explain it to you but his words are just and true and honestly sometimes a reflection of human nature (imperfection).
This isn't an counter-argument but a way to give you another lens in this issue.
Hmm.
Basically you say, oblivious people are prone to overindulge and can fall from one compulsive behaviour like "porn addiction" to another, like being religious and preachy about it, replacing one devoted behaviour with another.
While replacing one obsession with another is a thing, I would not limit this to people with "lack of knowlege", but rather to the overindulging itself, and that's not something based on knowledge. What is based on knowlege is the ability to blindly follow doctrine, be it religious or political.
I tried to find if there is a correlation between intelligence/education and consumption of adult entertainment. Could not find something conclusive. There are hints that higher education broadens acceptance and people seek a variety of stimulus for their mind. I will even claim that the average intelligence/education of the group that plays adult video games is higher than the general average.
Anyway, to get back on topic, sexuality is just such a basic need, people would be interested in it, no matter their knowlege or lack of knowledge.
Excuse me. I don't think anyone here is trying to to tell you what to do. Just trying to have a reasonable discussion and hear some other viewpoints. If Joyce Meyer is your only basis for Christianity, just know that not everyone is the same and from what I know a lot of those TV preachers don't actually follow God. I'm not judging you, I'd just like to know where you're coming from here.
You claim you aren't judging anyone, telling anyone what to do and that you seek reasonable discussion.
NSFW Games are against your views as a Christian. This is very reasonable
(Viewing perversion in the form of fantasy and make believe fiction as objective degeneracy I find very unreasonable
I, personally, favor & Want NSFW Games because They Are Fantasy . Not Real World . This makes them very attractive to my values. AS A PERVERT.. LOL . ( THEY ARE VERY WELL , (even masterfully) , CONCIEVED AND ANIMATED I MUST ADD.. ESPECIALLY THE JAPANESE VARIETY )
You can preach...
A lot of commenters have used the word "preach" to describe my comments. I'd like to apologise if that's how it came off. I meant to have an open discussion, which means a place to seek out facts. If you know something that I don't, the correct me. I'll do the same and eventually we'll both be better for it. There's also something to be said for considering other people's feelings when correcting them. Violent or insistant correction can actually drive someone farther from the point you're trying to make.
preachverb
:to urge acceptance or abandonment of an idea or course of action -Valid, but respectfully
specifically : to exhort in an officious or tiresome manner
Officiousness is the opposite of my intentions. I firmly beleive in respectful debate, but I guess this isn't the time or place for it. I guess that says something else about these crazy times we live in.
But if you go down that pathway, you kind of reduce God to a tempter, an evil manipulative bastard, that only brings you in a bad situation to later help you out of it.
The way I know things to work: God gave you free will out of love. What you do with that will is on you, because God respects your choices. God Himself tempts no one. The free will decision to follow God is what He wants. It's a friendship, God doesn't want you to be afraid; of Him or anything else.
Do not use the Bible to argue against porn.
When did I ever do this. I suggested that faith will set you free, but I never used the Bible (direct quotation or otherwise) to tell people that they're wrong for watching porn. There was no judgement; like I said, I've been there and God was my way out. Just sharing a permanent solution for those who feel empty inside. If you choose to ignore my story I won't ask twice. Usually I won't even ask once. It's God who's persistant in persuing His lost sheep. It also occurs to me that you wanted the religious discussion. You replied to my second comment and began by calling me nutcase and a bigot. I never asked for that.
I couldn't help noticing that you're very familiar with the contents of the Bible, so see if this strikes a chord.
"Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke the wise and they will love you.” – Proverbs 9:8
This one's on me, but there's more.
"But I tell you, everyone who is angry with his brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Whoever insults his brother or sister, will be subject to the court. Whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to hellfire." -Matthew 5:22
May God forgive you, and me as well for being angry with you.
How interesting... my initial comment was a simple blessing. Oh, how humanity has fallen. I pray understanding for those reading this, and freedom from whatever you're bound to. God bless all, I'm not going to be replying to this thread again.
You seem to want to know what I took issue with. I will tell you.
Probably says something about the state of the world right now, don't you think?
You act as if adult entertainment is saying something about the state of the world. I would say having criminals and liars as leaders of countries says far more about the state of the world. Having freedom of choice for recreational activities is a good thing. But some people, including you, try to restrict those without good reason. And no, you being on the brink of getting an obsession and overcoming it with faith is not a good reason.
What does say something about the state of the world, is how fringe groups get to dictate what others can do, in the name of morals, social justice, and whatever excuse they bring for their cancel culture. This prominently includes religion.
But you can't use religion to argue in a secular society anyways. So if your arguments againt porn are from your faith, you have already lost the debate, before it began.
at the same time it's wrong and eventually playing NFSW games will catch up with you.
You "preach" that playing nsfw games is "wrong". That's an unsubstanciated statement. What about peole playing genocide simulators or killing simulators (every 4x game, most shooter games)? Will that catch up to them too? Why? Why not? Why nsfw games? And why is it "wrong"? I can tell you why. Because it violates the restrictions you made for yourself with the help of faith. So, seeing others violate those restrictions looks wrong to you.
If you're reading this and about to reply angrily, wait. Keep reading. I genuinely hope you find peace. You're probably trying to fill a void that can't be filled this way. Go touch grass, meet more people and get out of your parent's basement.
If you're not a total creep (or regardless), you'll find someone to fill that void.
Creeps are people too.
That's condecending and insulting. You dish out pity. Understandable, because you think the hallmark of a fallen soul is playing nsfw games, since you yourself felt like fallen.
Damnation is not an empty threat.
That's the preachy part with religion. You basically tell people they are damned for playing nsfw games.
Porn is NOT healthy.
Such a broad statement is untrue. It only applies for certain situations. Like overindulgence.
I'm not one of those religious nuts who go around knocking on peoples doors
Sorry for replying to that with a pun about the activity of nutting. Anyway, you really did go to a thread and offtopicly condemned the topic's subject. You called people creeps and brought religion into the thread. As a reminder, the topic was, why many people like such games. Not if those games are morally ok or healthy.
And lastly, I took issue how you made God responsibly for overcoming your problems, but not for having those problems. But that's too much theological and philosophical territory. I just do not like the religion angle, and how that makes porn bad somehow. It just does not follow. Porn is not talked about in the Bible.
They did not talk about sexual images or sculptings or even naughty stories. And those exist for as long as humanity has expression through arts, so like some 40000 years or so. Every art has a sexualized version of it. Every. So there definitively was such things at the time the texts of the Bible were written. There can be no doubt about this. You can even still see some sexualized grafitti in some ancient ruins. Yet you do not see passages talking about it. If they would have had a problem with it, they would have said so. They did not. They deemed it not even worth mentioning.
What they did deem important was how sexuality between humans was regulated. Marriage vows, heirs, and so on. Very interesting about morals is the story of Tamar and Onan. Was Tamar condemned for acting as a prostitute? Was Judah condemned for visiting a prostitute? No. Tamar was initially condemnded because when she was prenant it would mean adultery, but she could prove that the father was within the bloodline. Something that previously was denied her by Onan. Onan's sin was not letting seed drop to the gound, but ignoring Tamar's rights and not getting her pregnant, after her husband's death. It was about heirs.
Ancient Jews did not care about things like prostituion, incest or porn or masturbation. They cared about bloodlines, rightful heirs and so on. But what was written was twisted in later centuries to mean different things. Just look at this term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan#Onanism . The perpetrator that denied a woman her right to a child and his dead brother an heir is the name giver for the "sin" of masturbation. Judging by the name, this passage is the main reason why masturbation is considered "wrong" and a "sin" and that's a huge fallacy, if you look at what actually was written and why it was considered a sin. Oh, and for context, the dead brother was smitten by God. So the situation is, that God would smite you, if you do bad. Which He did with Onan eventually. But not with Tamar, nor Judah.
While this is more an argument that prostituion is ok, it serves as an illustration how different morals were viewed at the time and how later generations would twist it for their own agenda of morals. Like condeming porn, which leads to the sin of Onan. Only ... it does not, because the sin of Onan never was masturbation.
Better to use the passages about overindulgence of things like alcohol to argue against overindulgence. There you have my agreement.
Really? Let's review that first comment again, shall we?
What you can't see is the feeling that went into that comment. I practically cried writing some of these. Is empathy a bad thing? Is it wrong to try to help? I wish I'd had somebody to say to me what I'm saying to you when I needed it.
This is exactly the negative Christian stereotype that you insist is nothing like you (whilst you simultaneously stereotype others).
I'm truely sorry if you feel stereotyped. It's something I can't help since I don't know who I'm talking to. One thing I can ask is that you don't look down on me for my shortcomings. Blind anger solves nothing, and an "I'm-better-than-you" mentality is wrong no matter what what you believe in.
You started by poisoning the well to ensure that no good-faith discussion can follow, then pivoted to gaslighting and sealioning to act as if you did no such thing.
I know I'm not perfect. In fact I can be a perfect ass sometimes. The best I can do is say I'm sorry and mean it. What would you have me do to start a good-faith converstion?
Why not?
I believe that if someone disagrees with me, we should be able to do so peacefully. If peace isn't an option, I might as well leave. It's also been called shaking the dust off of your shoes. That's not a judgement I wish on anybody, but it's been that way since Jesus' time. When a city tried to stone Him and His disciples, they moved on. I've said my piece, now I'm going to move on and talk to someone who will listen. It goes against everything I believe in to force someone to think a certain way.
God grant you peace.
What would you have me do to start a good-faith converstion?
For me, that would be sound arguments.
If you bring religion into a discussion, that has several issues. One of them is bringing the fallacy of appeal to authority to the table. For sound arguments one needs to avoid fallacies and one needs true premises.
In case that helps you, I am not angry with you and I believe you had a problem and faith helped you overcome that problem. But this does not mean that everyone has the same basic problem or that the same solution would be helpful. Or that people like hearing you talk like it were so.
And I rather would like you having strength because of faith and not because of literal things that are written in the Bible or were misquoted, reinterpreted or otherwise used for centuries to tell people lies. Learning how the story of Tamar was perverted into a tale against masturbation was very enlightening.
As a creator, being told what I can and cannot create isn't exactly great for artistic freedom and also prevents us from telling the kinds of stories that we want to tell and in the ways we want to tell tehm. In addition, as soon as you create a rule that the majority of people broadly agree with - under the banner of "sexual content" for instance - all you then need to do is define a regular part of everyday life - e.g., two gay characters holding hands - as "sexual content", and then bam. It's now illicit to depict a gay couple in your game, and you'll be cut off from funds and a space to share your art if you do. It's not hard to see why this is a bad move (unless you're a devout bible belt bigot).
As a result, I've been downloading whatever I can from itch.io, GOG and then using SteamRip to pirate games that I previously purchased on Steam to back them up to external drives, because fuck knows when some terrible new regulations will come for them. Itch.io is the best platform that we have, but tbh even it is not particularly appealing nowadays.